everybody in america gets 0 interest loans. >> we would have a very different america. i tell you, the new york fed actually is extending more money and had more open plans to the banking system. we are talking about the 2 trillion. altman the there was about 6 trillion worth of facilities created, much of went to the new york fed. they don't necessarily aggregate. their is a lot of other stuff that isn't even your being looked at. >> to knows about this? >> it is causing a public. not what collateral has been posted and what banks have received blood money. you are trying to get to the bottom of that information. but when those facilities were open, when they were created. it wasn't a big media press release. there is information you can see from digging through the web sites. >> you can do it. >> no. you can't do it. there is no way you can go on a fed website or treasury web site. what did you spend? when did disbanded? there is no report that exists like that. >> all right. i'm going to put you on the spot. based on his record as head of the new york fed -- well, le